My first impression was that I was disappointed with the Jung, but found myself learning from the Shamdasani introduction, going over the history of Psych material and connecting up with the Memories book. In a note on p. 149, he refers to the 4 kinds of divine madness, and the attempt of Jung (149-151) to distinguish between the two. Still reading the first section for the first time, my first impression of the Red Book was that it opens with a strange imitation of Nietzsche’s Zarathustra, and it may in a sense pick up the account of the “Spirit of the depths, ” Hopefully straightening this out so as to address for us or for the collective the problem at the root of World War. The spirit of the times or “zeitgeist” enters common speech from Hegel, and the contrasting spirit of the depths- and depth psychology- perhaps from Nietzsche. This may be a problem if Nietzsche is antichristian. Our psychiatry cannot distinguish Christ from Antichrist, nor king from tyrant. One point I will labor is to demonstrate that the hierarchy in Nietzsche is “upside down,” as will be explained. Jung is still accepting the Nietzschean terms regarding the incapacities, and is correct to prophesy that disability will become a topic- but there is not only high and low, but good and evil. The hero is good and the villain is evil, and in the “sacrifice,” one can side with one’s true self, or apparently, in the diabolic opposite, sacrifice the child, who then becomes as though imprisoned in the basement. Indeed the tyrants are stronger than the many individuals, and so higher souls in a certain sense- but tyrant and king are opposites in a more fundamental sense than they are as “authoritarian,” and as “mon-archs,” the same. Pre Socratic philosophy has only three kinds of regime- of the one, few or many, while Socratic philosophers have 6, 3 natural forms and 3 wrong forms that are perversions of these. Nietzsche, by trying to save the high from the last men, became the spawn of tyrants- and it is these we see on the “right” as well as the Marxist “left,” bringing their steely cruelties and diabolic plans to the streets of nations in the twentieth century- resulting in some one hundred million deaths outside of war and civil war- that is, murders.
I do think that Jung comes out of this “right side up,” but that his progress is not compete, as he only began to recover Socratic psychology. The present opinion is that he was distracted into alchemy when more serious studies awaited. The work of Emma Jung on King Arthur is oddly superior to some of his later theory, and we note that there was some CIA involvement with Dulles regarding the war which may have continued.
I will critique this both from the view of what the later work of Jung has taught us and what classical political philosophy teaches. What will result is a slight Christian correction of Jung, and so I will comment occasionally on the many true and deep things Jung has to say about this- beginning with his teaching that becoming Christians is useless and we must become “Christs.” What do these “Christs” do but tend the sheep, that is, baptize or minister the coming into being of the Christians, of whom there will be many more saved than there are saviors? Not all need be Martyrs in fact- though what is to occur may make one wonder. The same could be said of the “child” as Jung says of the “sheep,” and we note that the meaning refers not to the subservience of the sheep, but the care of the shepherd. Enoch, in a very ancient text, drops the human down to the animal level in order to make certain invisible things visible. But does Jung begin his autobiography with messianic quotations from the prophets because he thinks these refer to him? Has the “spirit of the depths tricked him into that Hegelian and Nietzschean inflation where the “”ego” is possessed by the self archetype? This is 1913- and if so, I also believe Jung frees himself, while Nietzsche succumbed to a philosophic madness.
What Jung is right about is that Jesus does teach: “greater things than these you will do,” etc, so that there is a sense in which, as Paul says, “We have the mind of Christ,” should the Holy Spirit accept our invitation- but this is still different from us. Because men no longer believe in God, when they turn to the psychic or psychoid things, they mistake these for what is above them. Having no God, the imago is mistaken for the highest things of which it is the imago- access to these higher things having been rejected.. We try to imagine these, and they appear as worldly objects, like abstract forms- that is we inmagine the forms as particular beings, because we cannot imagine truth itself- how it is always and everywhere, at once many and one. The spirit of the times in Hegel likely contains this spirit of the depths yet indistinct- as Hegel does mean something collective that is higher and deeper than the utilitarian and pragmatist have in mind.
Consider how Jung uses the word “subjective” as synonymous with psychic (p. ), and also repeats the German teaching that we make the meaning of events. Jung wants to focus on the sense he is here discovering- that we war outside because of factions within. In this sense, the meaning of events is partly caused by us, and we are responsible. But our responsibility is in no way measured by a meaning some apex man creates and imposes on the matter as though it lacked a nature prior to his cruel rape. The measure is not made by man.
Jung tries throughout to reflect on the distinction between madness and sanity, divine and not divine. “I went into the desert only at night. Thus can you differentiate sick and divine delusiopn. Whoever does the one and does without the other you may call sick because he is out of balance.” p. 151 Shamdasani cites Mysterium Conjunctionis, CWb 14, #756: the reason why the invovement looks very much like psychosis is that the patient is integrating the same fantsy-material to which the insane person falls victim because he cannot integrate it but is swallowed by it.” (Red Book Intro, p. 29)
Madness is a kind of dreaming while awake, and is invountary, or cannot be taken up and set aside at leisure. But visions such as that of Paul or Ezekiel by the River Chebar, are also invountary, occur during the day, and are NOT pathological madness, or are divine madness. But many without divine madness are sane, and many unjust imbalanced without being in this sense insane. Nor did Jesus or the Buddha keep up with their daiy schedules 50 minute appointments. To distinguish that “fine line between genuis and madness” will require quite a few distinctions. Jung will also explain that the distinction is that you integrate the contents of the archeypes, rather than them integrating you. We wi say, following Farabi, that there is knowledge in the soul that is the cause of the symbols,and images. Farabi says that the mad see the first priciples, but incorrectly- whereas happiness is possible only when the active intellect first sees the first intelligibles. The soul is by nature intended to know, and its manifestation from the shadow threough love into contemplation can be understood as the journey of a natural desire to know, and a natiure capable of this full bloom. Poetry connects many more to the knowledge, giving a share in happiness by cultivating what is in harmony with this, “like a breeze bringing health from good paces.”
One characteristic of madness is the certainty- for which Socrates called all the natural philosophers mad (Xenophon, Memorabilia, I.6-16). Knowedge of ignorance, by contrast, is moderation. The certainy of the Zarathustran utterance is a possession from which we will see Jung gradualy freed. This is of course rather obnoxious when it is wrong or annunciating partial truths, or saying that evil is good, etc. and this too we think Jung gradually figures out, if he lacks a theoretical expression. Self knowledge again turns out to be the only thing that works- as the talking cure allows the patient to see what it is he might have to say. So some things cannot be recognized while one is alone, but one is able to integrate or live with these when has a friend to share the attempt at a context.
Jung has a prophetic dream regarding WWI, and then when the war did break nout, he concluded that he was not going mad, but had a dream of coective significance, a “great dream.” and here he moves beyond the Freudian personal uncomnscious. It this the difference- that the wakinbg dreams of the divinely inspired are true, while the delusions of the mad are false? Had the assasination not happened, war not broken out and mankind, or Europe, resolved to just not so they could say they didn’t, at the savings of the miions of lives with little gained, would it then have meant that Jung was mad? And do the mad not sometimes prophesy, as the madman recorded by Josephus who warned of the fall of Jerusalem from 66 AD intil it occurred in 70?
Shamdasani has a nice note regarding the dead who came to Jung in the Seven Sermons, from Jerusalem having not found what they sought. “The dead had appeared in a fantasy on January 17, 1914, and had said they were about to go to Jerusalem to pray at the holiest graves” (p. 41). Note 173 connects us to p. 335, where these are identified as anabaptists, an attempted reform insisting on a return to original Christianity and adult baptism, of whom thousands were killed. Note 75 p. 143 reports the beginnings of the monastic movement into the deserts by Andrew and Pachomius about 285 AD- approaching the 10 th persecution of Christrians by Rome. “In the fourth century, there were thousands of monks in the Egyptian desert.”Constantine ended the persecutions, but the resulting Chrisian orthodoxy led to the hiding of the Nag Hammadi texts within two generations.
The desert is the place where the appetites, including interests (p. 144 “The way to truth stands open only to those without intentions”) are dried up- “ambition” jung writes in (Aion? CW5? p. ). Ambition and honor as glory have dual senses as vices and as attendants of virtues, as the aim is to be worthy of honor, glory, fame noteriety or reputation, the reflections in appearance of excellence or virtue.. So it is the overcoming of appetite, as is fasting- drying up this part of the soul rather than watering it, as Socrates says in criticizing the poets. Jesus was 40 days in the widerness AFTER his baptism.
The account of the assasination of the hero symbol is somehow wrong (pp. ). Jesus would be the pattern of the “hero,” in self sacrifice, while Judas sacrificing the hero, or the crucifixion, would be opposite, evil, and damning. Jung’s imagery here seems Nietzschean and anti-Christian, and this may again be something he is sorting out in the Red Book. Does Jung lose the ability to distinguish between Christ AND Antichrist by trying to unite all opposite as a matter of principle? And is this the conjunction of opposites, a principle or essential to the nature of the transcendent function, or is the conjunction of opposites not rather a characteristic of things divine as well as other things?There are different kinds of opposites- factional like the matters of the shadow and complementary like the matters of animus and anima, which are understood not from Jung but from Genesis 1: 26, etc. from which tradition, however derivative, Jung mines these wonders. His claim is that he is making a great and need advance by integrating the anima or recognizing thr reality of evil. we will see. When the hero conquers the villain, he shows a prowess at the things of the body equal or superior to that of the villain, who has set the things of the body such as wealth and power upon the perverse crown of his soul. The marriage, too, when he “gets the girl” of course involves the body not as male opponent, but as female or complementary friend, and these are able together to care for the beings of the household.
Aristotle (Categories 11b) writes that there are four kinds of opposites::
1) As correlatives to one another Example: Doube and half
2) As contraries to one another Ex: Bad and good
3) As privatives to positives Ex: sight and blindness
4) As affirmatives to negatives Ex: The propositions he sits and he does not sit.
This topic proves to be rather difficult, but compementary opposites are two halves of a whole, while factional opposties are the same in one way and opposite in essence.
I just finished book I. Salome? Difficult. I think he is bringing the “spirit” of depth and times out of Nietzsche. Something is tempting him in the desert.
II.
He uses vanity and praise. Ask him “Why?”
But “I am not really what you see before you?” Is Jung not already in trouble if he cares?
One wonders how much of his is actiual experience, whether in dream or vision.
He is trying to discern what Jung is- a sophist, theologian or anti-Israelite (p. 215).
Why should he seem to himself to be joy? Jung says this is his devil, or this as it appears to him. “…he was my joy, the joy of the serious person (p. 217). Surely Jung is a kind of Kantian!
Jung was dressed as a “green man,” and after this conversation, his “green garments burst into leaf.” In a moment, we will see Jung the novelist burst into flowery language- quite well, too, in describing things pertaining to the anima and the sea or the collective unconscious.
The book is called the “Red Book.”
One wonders if Jung has not confused death with evil. The recognition of death is supposed to be this new integration of the dark side? And like to recognize death we have to be able to say such things as “…” bunk.
I still think that Jung makes it out, while Nietzsche does not, and I have to try to articulate this difference, that difference between “Individuation” and damnation.